v.2.5.0 telus problem with AUTH

[Jim Bruce]

Using Blat 2.5.0

I am a new (and not much of a techie) user of blat. I am attempting to have
a programmer implement sending library overdue reports by email. He wishes
to use blat, and it works fine with his server and with one other mail
server I have tested. However I can't use my telus server.

Telus allocates you a username ***@telus.net in format (I have covered
up the acctual account and valid passwords with x's of course). You then
are permitted to designate an alias, mine is jimwbruce.

I can use MS OUtlook with Telus and I have verified the settings I am using
as:

outgoing mail: smtp.telus.net
email address: ***@telus.net
account name: xxxxxxxx <same entered in blat and MS Outlook>
password:xxxxxx <same entered in blat and MS Outlook>

I am getting a -debug message concerning "AUTH LOGIN". Entire BLAT
transaction related below.

Would apprecitate any help that can be offered.

Jim Bruce

________________________________________________________________________________________

blat -install smtp.telus.net ***@telus.net

Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user ***@telus.net,
retry
1 time(s)


C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
***@gmail.com -u xxxxxxxx -pw xxxxxx -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail
vM.6.01.
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:42:21 -0700

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing
connection

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chip]

Post by Jim Bruce
Using Blat 2.5.0
I am a new (and not much of a techie) user of blat. I am attempting to have
a programmer implement sending library overdue reports by email. He wishes
to use blat, and it works fine with his server and with one other mail
server I have tested. However I can't use my telus server.
up the acctual account and valid passwords with x's of course). You then
are permitted to designate an alias, mine is jimwbruce.
I can use MS OUtlook with Telus and I have verified the settings I am using
outgoing mail: smtp.telus.net
account name: xxxxxxxx <same entered in blat and MS Outlook>
password:xxxxxx <same entered in blat and MS Outlook>
I am getting a -debug message concerning "AUTH LOGIN". Entire BLAT
transaction related below.
Would apprecitate any help that can be offered.
Jim Bruce
________________________________________________________________________________________
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
retry
1 time(s)
C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail
vM.6.01.
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:42:21 -0700

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edmwes48.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing
connection
C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>

Try using Blat without the -u/-pw options since your server is not allowing
authentication.

Chip

[Jim Bruce]

I have been trying to use debug to find out why blat is not able to
send mail though my telus server that works with MS-Outlook. Had this
suggestion, which I followed:

__________________________________________________________
Re: Try using Blat without the -u/-pw options since your server is
not allowing authentication.

Chip
___________________________________________________________

Doesn't work (see below) and debug (which says little) returns
"Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net)."

To a non techie, "can't resolve" means little, better would be
something like, "no response from" or "not smtp service" or
something...anyways..

Step 7 of the telus mail setup page (below) confirms that outgoing
mail uses smtp.telus.net Step 8 suggests no secure password
authentication is necessary.

http://help.telus.net/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=93,E=0000000000011865762,K=1133,Sxi=19,Case=obj(1208)

Any other ideas (he said hopefully...)

Jim Bruce


C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -install smtp.telus.net ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user ***@telus.net, retry
1 time(s)

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail.com -d
ebug Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -install smtp.telus.net ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user ***@telus.net, retry
1 time(s)

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -debug -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail
.com
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

[x16wda]

...Any other ideas (he said hopefully...)
Jim Bruce
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
ebug Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
.com
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

Instead of smtp.telus.net, try using 199.185.220.249 and see what
happens. The "Can't resolve hostname" means that your DNS server is
not translating the server name (which is really just shorthand for
humans) to its IP address (which is what the computer needs).

[Jim Bruce]

Re: Getting Blat working with Telus SMTP, Bill's suggestion to use IP
address 199.185.220.249 instead of smtp.telus.net. I tried both with
and without the -u -pw paramagers. Both attempts unsuccessful.

Further ideas?

Post by x16wda

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?
<<<getline<<< 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed
The SMTP server does not like the name ***@gmail.com.
Have you set the 'To:' field correctly, or do you need authorization (-u/-pw) ?
The SMTP server response was -> 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection

A. DEBUG report with the -u -pw using IP instead of smpt.telus.net

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail.com -
u a8a00563 -pw lib303 -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)


I have tried avoiding the -u and -p username/password paramaters, but


C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -install 199.185.220.249 ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to 199.185.220.249 on port 25 with user ***@telus.net, ret
y 1 time(s)

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail.com -
u a8a00563 -pw lib303 -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail vM.6.01
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:56:25 -0700

Post by x16wda

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544

Post by x16wda

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>

B. Debug Report WITHOUT the -u and -pw paramagers
_________

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -install 199.185.220.249 ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to 199.185.220.249 on port 25 with user ***@telus.net, retr
y 1 time(s)

C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail.com -d
ebug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail vM.6.01.
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:15:26 -0700

Post by x16wda

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544
<<<getline<<< 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed
The SMTP server does not like the name ***@gmail.com.
Have you set the 'To:' field correctly, or do you need authorization (-u/-pw) ?
The SMTP server response was -> 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection

_________

Post by x16wda

...Any other ideas (he said hopefully...)
Jim Bruce
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
ebug Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -debug -body "This is a test" -to
.com
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

Instead of smtp.telus.net, try using 199.185.220.249 and see what
happens. The "Can't resolve hostname" means that your DNS server is
not translating the server name (which is really just shorthand for
humans) to its IP address (which is what the computer needs).
--
http://www.blat.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blat
Yahoo! Groups Links

[Jim Bruce]

Had a suggestion to PING smtp.telus.net, the mail server I can't seem
to use to send smple blat mail.

When I ping smtp.telus.net I also get back
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=248

I tried the following in the hopes

blat -install 199.185.220.249 ***@telus.net
blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@gmail.com -u a8a00563 -pw
lib303 -debug

Got back:
Error: Server refused connection.

I get this with or without the -u -pw paramagers

Any further ideas? I appreaciate all these quick answers.

Jim Bruce

Post by Jim Bruce
Re: Getting Blat working with Telus SMTP, Bill's suggestion to use IP
address 199.185.220.249 instead of smtp.telus.net. I tried both with
and without the -u -pw paramagers. Both attempts unsuccessful.
Further ideas?

Post by x16wda

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?
<<<getline<<< 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed
Have you set the 'To:' field correctly, or do you need authorization (-u/-pw) ?
The SMTP server response was -> 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection
A. DEBUG report with the -u -pw using IP instead of smpt.telus.net
u a8a00563 -pw lib303 -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
I have tried avoiding the -u and -p username/password paramaters, but
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
y 1 time(s)
u a8a00563 -pw lib303 -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail vM.6.01
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:56:25 -0700

Post by x16wda

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544

Post by x16wda

putline>>> AUTH LOGIN

<<<getline<<< 502 Command is locally disabled
The SMTP server does not require AUTH LOGIN.
Are you sure server supports AUTH?

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection
C:\Temp\blat\Blat250\full>
B. Debug Report WITHOUT the -u and -pw paramagers
_________
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
y 1 time(s)
ebug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
<<<getline<<< 220 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server (InterMail vM.6.01.
05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) ready Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:15:26 -0700

Post by x16wda

putline>>> EHLO nvit00316.telus.net

<<<getline<<< 250-priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net
<<<getline<<< 250-HELP
<<<getline<<< 250-ETRN
<<<getline<<< 250-PIPELINING
<<<getline<<< 250-DSN
<<<getline<<< 250-8BITMIME
<<<getline<<< 250 SIZE 20972544
<<<getline<<< 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed
Have you set the 'To:' field correctly, or do you need authorization (-u/-pw) ?
The SMTP server response was -> 550 relaying mail to gmail.com is not allowed

Post by x16wda

putline>>> QUIT

<<<getline<<< 221 priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net ESMTP server closing connection
_________

Post by x16wda

...Any other ideas (he said hopefully...)
Jim Bruce
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
ebug Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
SMTP server set to smtp.telus.net on port 25 with user
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -debug -body "This is a test" -to
.com
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

Instead of smtp.telus.net, try using 199.185.220.249 and see what
happens. The "Can't resolve hostname" means that your DNS server is
not translating the server name (which is really just shorthand for
humans) to its IP address (which is what the computer needs).
--
http://www.blat.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blat
Yahoo! Groups Links

[namtog]

Greetings,

Thought I'd give this ping fest a go. As you
can see below I get two different results;
199.185.220.249
and
204.209.205.51
Why this is so escapes me.

*******************************************************************

c:>ping smtp.telus.net

Pinging smtp.svc.telus.net [199.185.220.249] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245

Ping statistics for 199.185.220.249:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 47ms, Average = 46ms

c:>ping smtp.telus.net

Pinging smtp.svc.telus.net [204.209.205.51] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=245

Ping statistics for 204.209.205.51:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 55ms, Average = 49ms

c:>

********************************************************************

It repeats this sequence.

Namtog

[Chip]

Post by namtog
Greetings,
Thought I'd give this ping fest a go. As you
can see below I get two different results;
199.185.220.249
and
204.209.205.51
Why this is so escapes me.
*******************************************************************
c:>ping smtp.telus.net
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=245
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 47ms, Average = 46ms
c:>ping smtp.telus.net
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=245
Reply from 204.209.205.51: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=245
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 55ms, Average = 49ms
c:>
********************************************************************
It repeats this sequence.
Namtog

204.208.205.51 is the IP address I saw last night, then today I get the 199
address.

Namtog brought up a point I was about to suggest, does Telus.net require
POP3 access before allowing SMTP access? It might be that Telus requires
POP3 access before SMTP, which would explain the lack of authentication and
the refusal of connection on the SMTP port.

Run Blat with the "-installPOP3 pop.telus.net" and your credentials, then
Blat will try connecting to the pop3 server immediately before it attempts
to connect to the smtp server.


Chip

[x16wda]

Post by Jim Bruce
Had a suggestion to PING smtp.telus.net, the mail server I can't seem
to use to send smple blat mail.
When I ping smtp.telus.net I also get back
Reply from 199.185.220.249: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=248
I tried the following in the hopes
lib303 -debug
Error: Server refused connection.
I get this with or without the -u -pw paramagers
Any further ideas? I appreaciate all these quick answers.
Jim Bruce

Jim, just to be sure... is Telus your ISP, are you sending this email
from a computer that is connected to the Telus network?

Also, just for fun, go to www.dnsstuff.com and enter your pc's IP
address in the "spam database lookup" box (the middle box in the top
row).

Bill

[namtog]

Greetings,

Found this page;

http://edtnnt01p.telus.net/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?
St=52,E=0000000000011881427,K=439,Sxi=3,Solution=596

(The above should all be on one line.)

The pertinent part may be;

The correct server settings are:
Server Type: POP3
Incoming (POP) Server: pop.telus.net
Outgoing (SMTP) Server: smtp.telus.net

So you may have to use -serverPOP3 to connect.

Namtog

[namtog]

Greetings,

Maybe this is the problem;
***********************************************************
I receive the error "550 Relaying Mail is not Allowed"

If you receive the error "550 relaying mail is not allowed"
while sending an e-mail it is because you are not connected
to TELUS and are still attempting to use a TELUS mail server.
In order to send e-mail using the TELUS mail server
'smtp.telus.net' you must be connected to the Internet with
a TELUS connection. If you are connected to another Internet
service provider such as Shaw or AOL the TELUS mail server
will not allow you to send e-mail messages through it.

***********************************************************


Found this tidbit at;
http://edtnnt01p.telus.net/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?
St=97,E=0000000000011881719,K=5993,Sxi=3,Solution=1690

(All on one line)

Namtog

[Jim Bruce]

Subject: Continuing effort to use Blat to send mail through Telus
server acccount.

"Namtog" suggested that my problem might be that I am not sending from
a Telus account. Although unstated I have been testing Blat from BOTH
a telus and a non-telus ISPs, sending with or without username
password paramaters, and with IP and smtp.telus.net address.

All unsuccessful. MS-Outlook at my home address (where I am this
Saturday AM) is successful in using smtp.telus.net (I just ran a test
using a new password -debug report below).

Chip suggested that I may have to -install pop3 account first.

Here is what I constructed in notepad, an pasted at the command prompt
in my BLAT folder. Executing it got Error: Server refused connection.
Chip noted finding a different smtp IP ( 204.209.205.51) I tried it as
well and found the same "Server refused" message. I left off the -u
and -pw paramaters and still got "Server refused".

I'm game to try anything, any more ideas out there?

Jim Bruce

____________
blat -installPOP3 pop.telus.net ***@telus.net
blat -install 199.185.220.249 ***@telus.net
blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@telus.net -u a8a00563 -pw
april -debug
___________

DEBUG results from the above:
___________

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -installPOP3 pop.telus.net ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

POP3 server set to pop.telus.net on port 110

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -install 199.185.220.249 ***@telus.net
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

SMTP server set to 199.185.220.249 on port 25 with user ***@telus.net, retr
y 1 time(s)

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to ***@telus.net -
u a8a00563 -pw april -debug
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)

Error: Server refused connection.

C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>

[namtog]

Greetings,

Jim wrote;

"MS-Outlook at my home address (where I am this
Saturday AM) is successful in using smtp.telus.net"

OK, let's start again. Open a CLI and type;
blat -profile

Is there anything there? If so delete it;
blat -profile -delete "<default>"

This will delete the default profile, if you
named a profile use;
blat -profile -delete (name of profile)

Or you can go to;
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SOFTWARE \ Public Domain \ Blat
and delete the key.

I have a couple of tools that may be of help to you.
Go to;
http://nbi.namtog.com/

Download the win32 version. This will walk you through
a Blat install and it has a few tools to send a test
message or two.

Take a look at Build It, also at the above URl, this
may be all you need to do a install. Then try these
simple examples from the command prompt;

blat - -to ***@someplace.com -subject test -body yadda (press
enter)

or

blat test.txt -to ***@someplace.com -subject filetest (press
enter)

test.txt should be in the same folder as Blat for this to
work.

Be advised that you do not have to install Blat. You
can enter all of the info needed at the prompt. Installing
Blat makes the line shorter and makes it easier to use.

Namtog

[Chip]

Did we already rule out any firewall issues?

You can also download Ethereal and capture the network traffic for both Blat
and Outlook. This should identify possible problems with your connection to
Telus.

Chip

[Tim Musson]

Hey Chip,

On Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 4:05:08 PM you wrote

C> Did we already rule out any firewall issues?

His first message:
On Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 1:10:03 PM

JB> I can use MS OUtlook with Telus and I have verified the settings I
JB> am using as:

And there are other indications that MSOL is working to send mail via
Telus... This one is puzzling...
--
Tim Musson
Flying with The Bat! eMail v2.12.00
Life is sexually transmitted.
Blat Manager, current version is 2.5, see www.blat.net

[Jim Bruce]

THANKS CHIP!!

Re: sending smtp.telus.net--SUCCESS after solving firewall setup. Had
to wait a long time for notron to scan the outgoing mail though.

It WAS a firewall issue. I took down my Norton's Internet Security
2004 and sent successfully. Then I went back to NIS and set firewall
on manual instead of automatic.

I noticed a BLOCK on BLAT.EXE. With some effort I reset this to
PERMIT. Also did the same for Firefox and several others I thought
would be considered as "automatic". I guess that if you aren't a big
player these firewall programs are not able to automatically accept
transmissions out through the firewall. I always naiively imagined
the protection was ony "inwards".

With PERMIT for blat set on, and the firewall back in action, I could
use the following to send mail through my smtp.telus.net mail server.

Here is what was successful, pop3 install, -u -pw, were not
necessary, and my alias address worked fine.
_____________
blat -install smtp.telus.net ***@telus.net
blat -body "This is a test using smtp.telus.net-NO pop" -to
***@telus.net
_____________

Amazing, Telus doesn't even require a password, perhaps they recognize
my IP as their own, as they are my ISP. Will have to check again from
work where we don't have telus as an ISP.

__________________________________

Post by Tim Musson
Hey Chip,
C> Did we already rule out any firewall issues?
On Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 1:10:03 PM
JB> I can use MS OUtlook with Telus and I have verified the settings I
And there are other indications that MSOL is working to send mail via
Telus... This one is puzzling...
--
Tim Musson
Flying with The Bat! eMail v2.12.00
Life is sexually transmitted.
Blat Manager, current version is 2.5, see www.blat.net
--
http://www.blat.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blat
Yahoo! Groups Links

[namtog]

Greetings,

Congratulation on getting Blat, or should I say
NIS to work for you.

Jim wrote;
"It WAS a firewall issue. I took down my
Norton's Internet Security 2004 and sent
successfully. Then I went back to NIS and
set firewall on manual instead of automatic."

Maybe this sort of behavior is why NIS got
this user feedback;
"However, when it comes to reader feedback in bulk,
one company's recent products take the biscuit (in
fact, they take the whole packet of cookies and the
tin too): step forward Symantec and its 2004 versions
of Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security.
Unfortunately (for Symantec), the overwhelming
majority of this comment is negative: at the time of
writing, 94 percent of reader ratings for NAV 2004 give
it the thumbs-down, while 87 percent of voters on NIS 2004
are similarly minded. What on earth is going on?"

This is from;
http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020505,39149261,00.htm

Namtog

[Chip]

Post by Jim Bruce
THANKS CHIP!!
Re: sending smtp.telus.net--SUCCESS after solving firewall setup. Had
to wait a long time for notron to scan the outgoing mail though.
It WAS a firewall issue. I took down my Norton's Internet Security
2004 and sent successfully. Then I went back to NIS and set firewall
on manual instead of automatic.
I noticed a BLOCK on BLAT.EXE. With some effort I reset this to
PERMIT. Also did the same for Firefox and several others I thought
would be considered as "automatic". I guess that if you aren't a big
player these firewall programs are not able to automatically accept
transmissions out through the firewall. I always naiively imagined
the protection was ony "inwards".
With PERMIT for blat set on, and the firewall back in action, I could
use the following to send mail through my smtp.telus.net mail server.
Here is what was successful, pop3 install, -u -pw, were not
necessary, and my alias address worked fine.
_____________
blat -body "This is a test using smtp.telus.net-NO pop" -to
_____________
Amazing, Telus doesn't even require a password, perhaps they recognize
my IP as their own, as they are my ISP. Will have to check again from
work where we don't have telus as an ISP.

Telus won't need authentication when coming from their IP network. It is
assumed that you are an authorized user if you are on their IP. Access from
the outside world could be different, as it is for me to access AT&T.

Any decent firewall is bi-directional, with the default set to block or ask
with a few exceptions.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jim,

On Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 3:10:27 PM you wrote

JB> I'm game to try anything, any more ideas out there?

Well, I have been watching this thread, and have sent you a couple of
test messages...

After a bit, and after looking at the telus.net web site, I thought
you may need to do POP before SMTP as others have suggested. But your
results don't seem to be what I expect...

So....

I figured I would try connecting and sending your account a message
from my machine. I tried using telnet initially, and found that the
telus.net SMTP server will not accept a message without the subject
line (and I don't think you were using the -subject option).

So, here is a batch file I tried with both a8a00563 at telus dot net
and jimwbruce at telus dot net as -f options. They both seemed to go through!
I can't seem to make it fail (as long as I am sending to an @telus.net
address) unless I send a poorly formatted message...

,-----
| ;blat -of %0
| ;exit
|
| -body "testing"
| -server smtp.telus.net
| -f a8a00563 at telus dot net
| -to jimwbruce at telus dot net
| -debug
`-----

So give this a try and let us know what happens (all on one line).

blat
-body "testing"
-server smtp.telus.net
-f a8a00563 at telus dot net
-to jimwbruce at telus dot net
-debug
--
Tim Musson
Flying with The Bat! eMail v2.12.00
Junk: stuff we throw away. Stuff: junk we keep.
Blat Manager, current version is 2.5, see www.blat.net

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jim,

On Friday, January 20, 2006 at 1:11:46 AM you wrote

JB> To a non techie, "can't resolve" means little, better would be
JB> something like, "no response from" or "not smtp service" or
JB> something...anyways..

Well "can't resolve" is what the problem is...

"can't resolve" means something specific - that Blat couldn't get the
IP Address of the server.

"no response from..." would mean that it was able to get the IP
Address, but didn't get a response - completely different.

"not smtp service" is also completely different. it would mean that
Blat was able to get the IP Address of the server, and the server is
there, but not listening for SMTP type communications.

So it looks like your problem (at least for your previous message is
not Blat, but your workstation / IP Config / DNS Config.

The first thing Blat needs to do before connecting is translate your
smtp.telus.net name to an IP Address. Then it tries to connect to the
SMTP service on port 25 (by default). Finally it has a conversation
with the SMTP service and sends the message.
--
Tim Musson
Flying with The Bat! eMail v2.12.00
I have an imaginary friend who refuses to play with me.
Blat Manager, current version is 2.5, see www.blat.net

[Chip]

Post by Jim Bruce
I have been trying to use debug to find out why blat is not able to
send mail though my telus server that works with MS-Outlook. Had this
__________________________________________________________
Re: Try using Blat without the -u/-pw options since your server is
not allowing authentication.
Chip
___________________________________________________________
Doesn't work (see below) and debug (which says little) returns
"Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net)."
To a non techie, "can't resolve" means little, better would be
something like, "no response from" or "not smtp service" or
something...anyways..
Step 7 of the telus mail setup page (below) confirms that outgoing
mail uses smtp.telus.net Step 8 suggests no secure password
authentication is necessary.
http://help.telus.net/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=93,E=0000000000011865762,K=1133,Sxi=19,Case=obj(1208)
Any other ideas (he said hopefully...)
Jim Bruce
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
1 time(s)
C:\temp\blat\Blat250\full>blat -body "This is a test" -to
ebug Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
1 time(s)
.com
Blat v2.5.0 w/GSS encryption (build : Sep 14 2005 22:46:29)
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

This means that when Blat asked Windows to convert the name smtp.telus.net
to an IP address, Windows responded that it could not find any such record
for smtp.telus.net, meaning that it could not resolve the name to an IP
address as Blat says. When you get that problem solved, then you can move
on to any further problems. Try "ping smtp.telus.net" from that same PC to
see if you get an IP address and any responses to the ping request.

Chip

[Kevin van Houten]

Quoting Chip..

Post by Chip

Post by Jim Bruce
Error: Can't resolve hostname (smtp.telus.net).

This means that when Blat asked Windows to convert the name smtp.telus.net
to an IP address, Windows responded that it could not find any such record
for smtp.telus.net, meaning that it could not resolve the name to an IP
address as Blat says. When you get that problem solved, then you can move
on to any further problems. Try "ping smtp.telus.net" from that same PC to
see if you get an IP address and any responses to the ping request.

For what it's worth, smtp.telus.net is resolving to 199.185.220.249
for me...

$ ping smtp.telus.net
PING smtp.svc.telus.net (199.185.220.249): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 199.185.220.249: icmp_seq=0 ttl=236 time=169 ms
--
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http://qevan.homeip.net

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